Because it’s been done in a Laboratory. In 1952, actually.
It was called the Miller-Urey Experiment. First various simple chambers were filled with water, ammonia, methane and hydrogen (4 of the most prevalent elements in early Earth), then one chamber of water was evaporated off, therefore firing sparks between two electrodes (simulating the intense electrical storms of early Earth). After only 1 week, 10-15% of the organic carbon molecules had turned into organic compounds including sugars, lipids and the amino acids used to make DNA.
Mind, in order to believe that the experiment was accurate, you have to believe that the conditions of early Earth were those of intense volcanic activity and electrical storms, rather than the garden of Adam and Eve.
Actually I just used the word organic because that’s what the molecules are called. I wasn’t trying to confuse anybody. They’re called organic compounds! How much more clear can you get?
I wasn’t trying to disprove God at all. I was simply trying to fill in some evolutionary knowledge gaps that many Creationists seem to be missing.
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yup. I did know that.
I did know that. I’m familiar with the Miller-Urey experiment, and I think it’s absolutely fascinating that we can recreate the conditions for life.
EDIT: @ superb9006: Two recent experiments at the University of Waterloo and the University of Colorado have reaffirmed the importance of the Miller-Urey experiment. The early atmosphere could have been up to 40% hydrogen, but there is evidence that the escape of hydrogen may have been only 1% of the rate previously believed. If anything, the presence of more hydrogen in the early atmosphere, than was previously thought, would be more conducive to the formation of prebiotic organic molecules.
Too bad creationists will misrepresent it.
So rug-munching IS nutritional?
Yes I did.
But then I was never a creationist or theist.
False.
That was really the FSM’s Noodly Appendage changing the lab results to test our faith. And because He’s got a weird sense of humor.
May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage.
R’Amen.
inorganic - organic doesn’t constitute a complex organic creature.
thank you
you have done an epic win
now more proof against Young Earthers besides the mountains we already have that they have grown immune to.
Yeah I did know that, but knowing of one from as early as 1952 will make them feel more inadequate.
as much good as this is, it still shows that we lack some fundamental knowledge of primordial Earth’s conditions; we cannot produce all of the essential amino acids and that poses a great problem. Just remember science is never absolute and is open for review through evidence, we still have a ways to go before we understood exactly what happened at the beginnings of the Earth but we are getting very close!
Not to mention this experiment has been repeated many times with vastly different conditions.
And organic molecules are abundant in the solar system. Even nucleotides have been found in comets.
Another fast one…trying to confuse people with organic (chemical compounds that contain carbon.) so they’ll think it means ‘living organisms’. Very cheap and tawdry.
Diamonds contain carbon.
Care to re-try.
Does the experiment show you the mechanistic pathway to the formation of a single living, replicable cell? I would really like to know.
I have heard about doing that. However, the purity of the methane could make the test questionable. Today, some scientists are leaning toward a seeding from a Comet, or a pseudo comet/asteroid from outside our solar system.
really???…
nah just kidding i knew that
Yup. And they’ve repeated the process more recently, with more accurate gas mixtures - and it just got better!
And - they re-analysed all of Miller’s old samples - safely locked away all these years - and found hosts of other chemical species that his equipment wasn’t able to detect.
There’s no doubt that this is the process that started life.
…or that was avoided and God seeded the earth with Adam and Eve.
fascinating
Yep I did. :o)
Granted, I went to school to study molecular biology and all.
I am so with Dr Noodles.
It is true that the holy FSM changed the results because He has a great sense of humor. The universe and humans really evolved from His creation of trees, mountains, and midgits.
RAmen…
The Miller-Urey experiment has been abandoned because scientists have established that the earth’s early atmosphere did not consist heavily of hydrogen. and when the correct conditions are in place, the organic compounds produced are formaldehyde and cyanide. Not very good building blocks for life.
The second problem with the experiment is that it put intelligence behind the origins of life. Huge fail. Do some more research before trying to look intelligent.
Yes, I did know that. Even without the Miller-Urey Experiment (the findings of which were recently re-analyzed, yielding even more dramatic results, btw) the simple fact that we exist proves that point.
So you are saying that the experiment disproves God. Fair enough. But doesn’t the the bible say Adam and Eve were made from the Earth. No-one can prove or disprove God. Not even a complex science experiment.
Check out the first link for an even better example of inorganic starting a life like process. There are several other recent finds that support the process of abiogenesis - unfortunately I don’t have the links to them.
Two other interesting finds, Mars is emitting methane in some areas and Titan has organic molecules on it. These are not compelling or conclusive, yet, but they are promising.
Isn’t that the one the history channel did a whole show on, and they said that it was generally thought to be a faulty conclusion? Sorry, it’s been a few years since I saw that, I might be thinking of something else, but I think this was it. They basically said that it was all wrong, for what reason I don’t recall.
In any event, organic compounds are not life. With all the scientists trying to create life in the lab, and still can’t do it, I wonder why we are so quick to believe it would happen by chance…and then survive and thrive on top of that. Sorry, I just don’t buy it.
God bless
No, I did not know that! How cool!
Doesn’t mean much using controlled environments.
Did you know that all the amino acids were useless for the start of life?
inorganic - organic doesn’t constitute a complex organic creature.
But it’s a start.
If someday we build a frog, you guys will complain organic - frog doesn’t constitute a man
If you guys would spend more time examining atoms instead of adams, you’d see what a remarkable world we really live in.
I am not a scientist, but I have heard a lot of good Research on this subject and I will give you a link to that web site. I do know that I don’t see anymore evolved people walking out of the jungle. You know it has to be 1 or 20 billion years from some time. If your evolution is real, why don’t I still see evolution happening between man and ape as you claim.
I also know that to not believe in God, you are an atheist. Well atheist believe that anything you can’t, see, taste, touch, smell, or hear is not real. I don’t, see, taste, touch, smell, or hear (thought). Where does thought come from. I hope that you stop trying to explain Jesus Christ away. He cannot be explained away and you know that.
How is it that the original people that followed Jesus went to their deaths if He wasn’t who He said He was. After all they walked with him for 3 years. I would think that after 3 years they would have known that Jesus was fake. It would have been real hard to keep faking it, day after day. Well each one of His disciples went to their death, except one for refusing to deny Jesus Christ. One died of natural causes after they tried to kill him (John) or he would have been killed. All they had to do is deny Him, and they would have been set free, but they didn’t.
One of them was completely skinned of every piece of his flesh, and he still did not deny Jesus. They had do cut off His head to stop this disciple from preaching.
You can keep on believing what you do, but it will not change the truth.
The truth is that you are a sinner along with every person on the planet.
Another truth is that you cannot change that fact.
What you can do is just to accept what Christ did for you on the cross to pay for your sin, and make Jesus Christ Lord of your life.
That is the truth.
Last question for you.
If I’m wrong and you’re right and there is no God, then when you die you and I both have nothing to worry about, but if you’re wrong and I’m right then when we die there is a judgement to face, and only those who are Children of God will enherit eternal life with Jesus Christ in Heaven forever. Those who are not will spend the rest of forever in Hell.
If I were you, I would check out the link down below and find out how much truth you really have there, unless you have something to be
afraid of.
People try to test my faith in Christ all the time, I recieve it and check it out and find out that they were wrong. When someone asks you questions about your faith in evolution do you really check it out and find out their wrong.
If you’re right then there is nothing on this site that you have to be afraid of. I challange you therefore to check it out for yourself, and not just believe what others tell you.
Thank you for your time. Remember GOD Loves you.
