grow organic vegetables
wass asked:


You complain about companies using pesticides to grow fruit and vegetables and force companies into making everything organic, but ignore that overall people are healthier thanks to pesticides being used because more fruit and vegetables can be produced and the poor can afford to eat them instead of just burger king.

And, your nice little organic foods spoil faster so more food is wasted.

Less is produced, more is wasted, and it costs more so less people are able to get the nutrients they need.

How is that healthier and how do you justify that?
If you can afford organic foods - great, I’m speaking for an entire class that can’t.

Comments

tonalc2 on 12 September, 2009 at 8:08 pm #

The problems are those that stem from the continued use of untested, hazardous and unnecessary pesticides. There are viable nonchemical alternatives that give good crop yields and provide food at a reasonable price.

As there are often several potential ways of controlling the damage incurred by pests, it is misleading to attribute all of the benefits associated with pest control to pesticides

Plus, with each new chemical created, the pests develop immunity (kind of like what we’re doing with antibiotics).

Food spoils quicker? That’s what refrigerators and freezers are for.


Tyler on 15 September, 2009 at 6:04 pm #

i totally agree with you man. we need more people with the mindset that you have. you just have to live with thefact that some people are just born dumba$$es…


Charlie79 on 16 September, 2009 at 10:01 am #

I am conservative, and was born and raised (and still live) on an organic family farm.

Cancer rates are higher in people who are fed a diet of high pesticides, antibiotics and hormones.

And you did not touch base on the companies (like Monsanto) who have began to patent organic seeds, and animal dna (fyi, patenting life is illegal) for their own manipulation. There has been zero research done on genetically modified foods being fed to humans…so if you consume those foods, you are willfully participating in the largest experiment on mankind. So good luck for ya!


bash on 19 September, 2009 at 12:39 am #

Actually, I am not interested in ‘forcing’ companies to make organic food. I simply want proper labeling…so that if they use pesticides, the American people are permitted to know about what is and is not in their food. For far too long, we have been given no information about our milk and dairy, our meat. etc. I simply want the choice available…so that people can choose what they want to eat and drink….and I want our government to demand proper labeling…so that ‘all natural’ actually means something truthful.


PlanetTelex on 21 September, 2009 at 11:41 am #

Wow, this is a pretty lame question. You’ve vented. Do you feel any better?


love_bug on 23 September, 2009 at 2:05 pm #

Buying organic doesn’t mean paying the outrageous prices at the supermarket. I find it hard to believe that people are healthier BECAUSE of pesticides. To start with organic food just tastes better. I grow my own organic vegetables and fruits, then I freeze or can them for the winter months, so nothing is wasted, and it’s actually much cheaper than burger king. A package of tomato seeds costs about $1, the same price as a jr whopper, from that one packet of seeds, I get dozens of tomatoes, the difference is that it takes a little more effort to grow your own tomatoes than it does to sit on your fat @ss in a drive thru lane for a burger. What I can’t grow on my own, I buy at the local farmer’s market, which is stocked by LOCAL farmers, again not a lot of waste there. Most importantly, organic food is just overall better for your body, your family, and our environment.
When something is “certified organic,” it means that no insecticides, herbicides, fumigants, or fungicides, have been used to treat the plants. Many of the chemicals used to kill insects, weeds and fungus have been found to be carcinogens
Buying organic is better for communities. The US Department of Agriculture estimates that 50% of all farm products come from only 1% of the farms. It’s also estimated that the United States has lost more than 650,000 family farms in the past decade. Buying local, organic products keeps local farmers in business and small communities alive.
Until WWII, organic was the conventional practice as it was the most common way to farm. The use of synthetic chemicals and toxins won the battle away from home and were now touted to improve our lives here too. With this fanfare, it was well received and pushed through quickly. At that time, shocking to us now to think, but chemical poisons were even sprayed directly onto children to kill off bacteria! And some of us still remember walking behind the trucks spraying chemicals to kill off mosquitoes and other bugs around the neighborhood because it was so cool to see that puff of smoke come out. Conventional, the norm, changed to today’s standard of using these chemicals readily.


Fishguy on 24 September, 2009 at 12:44 am #

I love this silly person above me who asks, I can’t believe anyone is healthier because of pesticides.

What??????????

Do you know that over 100 million people in the third world have died as a direct result of malaria that would have been prevented if not for the world wide ban on DDT?

Give me a break. Just because it is natural doesn’t mean it is good for your. Cyanide is natural but you wouldn’t want to injest much of that would you?


kanoa k on 25 September, 2009 at 12:45 pm #

1. No one is forcing companies to be organic, just forcing companies to
label their product as conventional.
2. The poor are being fed by subsidized farms that are conventional.
3. Organic foods may spoil faster, but are locally produced and consumed faster.

Your argument fails because, Burger king is still more expensive than locally grown food, and produce that has been on a barge for 3 weeks does not have the nutritional value of my neighbors fresh fruit.

I can justify this as…

Supporting my community and buying local goods.

Health care cost for people that consume pesticides and hormones are exorbitant.

If your against big government and illegal aliens…you should be for organic farming.

Fishguy…
The ban on DDT caused millions to die of malaria? Not that they don’t have access to the malaria vaccine?


Carpenter Charlie on 27 September, 2009 at 11:02 pm #

Is this really a question? Or is this a rant?

If you don’t want to purchase organically grown foods then you don’t have to. I purchase and consume organics because it is my personal choice. Don’t tread on me!

Now, I cannot disagree more with your argument.

People that eat cheap fast food do it as a personal choice. Not because there are no healthy alternatives. The last time I checked, I could purchase hormone free organically raised chicken, turkey, and beef ( less than $3.00 a pound)at the grocery store (one trip a week), prepare it at home and consume it at my dining room table for less than the cost of driving to a fast food restaurant, purchasing a 1/4 pounder, and consuming it on the drive home.

I would argue that if more consumers would purchase organically grown foods then more farms would grow it and the prices would go down.

I would also like to point out why my family and I eat organics and whole grain foods. Despite what you my think. We do not eat them so that we may rub it in your face or think we are any better than any other people.

We eat organics and whole grains so we might prevent health problems later in life. I have a history of cancers in my family. Cancer is on the rise and the establishment does not have a clear answer as to why? If I can spend an extra 5 cents to 50 cents for an organic alternative then I choose to do just that. It’s an investment to my health.

Just so you know, I also pay for my entire families health insurance out of my own pocket. It is affordable. We don’t have cable tv and xbox 360’s. Instead, we put our savings into a health savings account. This allows us to carry a high deductible health insurance plan. The cost is less that the subsidized insurance available through my wife’s employer.

We will not be a burden on the federal health care system. Can you say the same for the people eating cheap low dietary content foods you suggest? Is it my families fault they choose to spend $2.00 a gallon to buy a $5.00 value meal?

You say the poor cannot afford organic fruits and vegetable. I believe, only 50 years ago, it was common for the poor to grow their own fruits and vegetable. It was the wealthy who simple could go to the market and purchase these items.

By the way, I am a conservative. I am not wealthy. I am a carpenter. I work with my hands. For every dollar I earn, I sweat, bleed and produce a product of value.

If poor can only afford food treated with pesticides, as you state. Then it is a sad world we live in. They are being poisoned slowly, day by day. Will the cheap cost of pesticide treated foods now out weigh the expensive cost of disease treatment later?

Which side of history will you be on?


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